Garden Talk Volume 1 Episode 1

Behind the Green Door
2025-05-30

I have optimistically labeled this video on the assumption that it will one day stop raining long enough for me to try my hand at horticulture. I am not starting from zero on the knowledge scale, but close enough to assume zero knowledge. I grew up in the country and I have spent a lot of time in the woods, so Mother Nature and I are on speaking terms with one another.

What I do not know is gardening, which involves plant selections, soil maintenance and water management. None of these things are terribly difficult in this age of YouTube videos and online resources. In the before times, people had to rely on ancient wisdom and trial and error. I recall an old guy when I was kid who was talked about as a wizard with rose bushes.

Oddly, I discovered his secret to growing roses. I was fishing with another kid, and we landed a big carp. The old guy gave us a dollar for it and said he would give us a dollar for anymore we caught that were that size. It turned out that he used carp for fertilizer, which was his secret trick to growing roses. That and he probably spent a lot of time tinkering with them.

I am not launching a gardening video, nor do I expect to be featured in one, so this is mostly a project to satisfy my own limited tastes. As you can see in the video, the area where I am starting is mostly weeds and the remains of past efforts to build a flower bed near the barbeque area. I would like it to look a bit nicer and maybe draw in some of the hummingbirds that I see from time to time.



Comments (Historical)

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Tmony30 #121881164 june 01, 2025 06:49 am 1
I just laughed when you said the word jonquils, thinking you might call the plants Jon’Quarius by mistake.
Mike F #121564413 may 30, 2025 10:40 pm 2
The plants you ID'd as jonquils look like iris to me. The pink flower plant is a bleeding heart (appropriate for you haha!). All the moss usually indicates` acidic, poor draining, and/or clayey soil. Judging by all of the trees, I'm guessing the patio (that's what I'd call it) is partial to full shade (that's important to tell your plant nursey people). Don't know about West Virginia deer, but Tennessee deer definitely eat azaleas (especially in the winter). Azaleas need some sun to bloom well. The last 2 houses I've lived in have had boxwoods. Nice looking, but to me they stink (literally). Very odd unpleasant smell year round, YMMV. Nurseries usually have lists of deer resistant plants that do well locally. They're usually very eager to give advice. Show them your mossy soil and ask what you need to add (sand, lime, etc).
The Z Man #121577247 may 30, 2025 11:42 pm 1
In the summer, it is 50/50 sun and shade, with the sun in the afternoon and evening, but the soil is sandy and rocky. I'm fine with the moss. It is easy to maintain and looks like it should for where I live. Those old flower beds is what I'm after. At the Lowes, every plant lists its deer quotient, which is funny. This is the universal issue it seems.
usNthem #122314167 june 02, 2025 08:27 pm 0
Those taller plants on the far right are irises. They should be deer resistant and are fairly low maintenance. Typically bloom once or perhaps twice a year and spread via rhizomes, which can be easily removed and transplanted elsewhere. Check with the local or regional iris society for help. There is also a product called ā€œfish emulsionā€ that’s a good feed for the flowers and plants - so you don’t gave to go out and catch a bunch of big carp…
Mike F #121587027 may 31, 2025 12:33 am 0
Gotcha about the moss in the yard/woods/patio. Also looked like there was some moss in the flower beds too though (maybe my mistake). Iris generally need almost full sun to bloom, but the plants will grow/spread in partial shade. Coral bells, cardinal flower, columbine all do well with shade and hummingbirds like them. We've had deer eat columbine & coral bells though. After your bleeding heart flowers and/or the foliage starts to die back maybe try trimming it back to encourage new growth. Lenten rose is easy to grow, flowers during Lent, spreads on it's own, green all year (in Tennessee at least) and is one of the few things that deer will absolutely not eat in our yard (at least so far).
DGG #122265894 june 02, 2025 05:22 pm 1
My wife says the first may be a gladioli or an iris, but she thinks gladioli. The other, as you say, is a pink bleeding heart. Both are perennials and the wife says the bleeding heart is a very nice example of its kind. Z-Man should keep it and tell everyone it’s his signature plant.
NJ #121618922 may 31, 2025 03:49 am 1
How about some herbs? I always feel silly paying for herbs like rosemary, thyme, sage, and oregano at the grocery store. And, as I understand it, deer do not like rosemary. I know you said you like the moss, but I personally would just pressure wash it. You could pressure wash a small area and see if you like it first. It will always become dirty and re-mossify with enought time and neglect, but you might not know what it looks like cleaned up until you try it. I assume you don't need irrigation where you are, and how nice that is if you don't. Where I am you definitely would. If you do need irrigation, it might be time to think about how to install it now vs. trying to retrofit buried lines later. Thank you for sharing. I look forward to seeing whatever you do
Nazgƻl #121980854 june 01, 2025 04:34 pm 0
Rosemary will not survive the winter where Zman lives.
NJ #123576681 june 07, 2025 04:15 am 1
I had no idea (obviously) rosemary was not cold tolerant. I am spoiled with a mild climate. Thanks for teaching me something new
Shrinking Violet #122351181 june 02, 2025 11:00 pm 0
Moss is beautiful in a soulful, remember-you-are-mortal kind of way. Moss implies that a place is old and undisturbed, so it’s the exact opposite of the slick, crass, sterile stuff people love so much now. The Japanese devote whole gardens to thick carpets of intensely green moss. And the Japanese have a term for the kind of beauty associated with the lonely poignancy of living out in nature in isolation: wabi sabi. Z Man, you are full of surprises. I never would have figured you for a wabi sabi guy.
Nazgƻl #121982473 june 01, 2025 04:41 pm 0
I found the best way to get flowers that will bloom all summer is to buy tropicals. For the amount of shade you have, I would go with begonias and/or impatiens. They should be easy to find. Each spring, of course, is another investment in plants, but that is its own benefit, as you are freer to experiment. I’m not sure of how tasty these are to deer, as they are not a problem where I live. I seem to recall that deer eat impatiens, though.
Substack Reader #121762885 may 31, 2025 06:40 pm 0
Welcome to the Wonderful World of Gardening, where there is always more to learn. (Thomas Jefferson famously said ā€œtho' an old man, I am but a young gardener.ā€) You have what I would also call a patio. I agree with you about the stone work. There’s something about a mortar-free stone wall that is intrinsically satisfying. Perhaps it is an echo from our ancestors - idk. The moss was actually a fashionable ā€œlookā€ back in the eighties. I recall Martha Stewart giving a tutorial on how to create mossy pots, which was satirized for years afterwards. I agree with the poster above about pressure-washing your bricks. Perhaps just the base, though. It’s kind of like buying a house with carpet. You have no idea what treasures lie underneath, until you pull the stuff up. By all means, do a sample first, in an unobtrusive spot. No suggestions from me about plants. I am in the Deep South, where everything grows madly almost all year long, barring the once-in-sixty year snowfall. I DO suggest that you start a compost pile, in a sunny, out-of-the-way spot. Compost is like gold to gardeners, and it’s essentially free dirt. I think you will enjoy the recycling aspect of it, and the cardboard that you are now burning can help to start your pile. Enjoy your new hobby!
spingerah #121926323 june 01, 2025 12:57 pm 0
You can send samplees of your soil & have it tested. Most counties & a lot of colleges will have a dept that can do that. .
Nazgƻl #121984798 june 01, 2025 04:50 pm 1
You can also get testing kits on Amazon, which come with prepaid envelopes to send the sample in for testing. I did this for my mother and it was quick and easy and seemed to work well.
Ben Wagner #121675971 may 31, 2025 12:28 pm 0
If you want to keep the weeds down, you can lay down several (5-10?) layers of newspaper where the previous owners put plastic. The paper breaks down over time, but lasts long enough to block the sun from any existing weeds and seeds under the paper.
Chris Hensley #121594286 may 31, 2025 01:12 am 0
I don't really have an opinion on what you should do. But, I do really like that space. I'd love to have something like that one day, garden or no

Transcript

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welcome to my back i'm not sure what you call this thing it's a bunch of stones

laid out sort of a scenario i guess and uh as you can see i'm gonna put the camera

here i'm not sure how good this will turn out but you can see my stones have lots

of moss and i did think about getting the old weed killer out and killing all the

moss

but it kind of looks neat, this whole area.

And if you look,

let's see,

you see up here,

this is supposed to be a gardening,

which is going to be my first experiment with trying to develop a green thumb.

When I got the place, well, last spring was my first real spring here.

I moved in last spring.

So roughly a year ago, there were some of these things, which I'm not sure what they are.

I think they might be John quills or some sort of bulb type plant because, uh,

I actually hit them with a weed whacker somewhere over the summer.

Here's another guy here, and they came back.

So that's usually some sort of bulb of some sort.

Jonquils are pretty common.

That's something that people plant all the time.

But as you can see,

of course,

it's been raining so much,

the moss is growing all over the place.

That's one thing I have a lot of is moss.

I've got this kind of moss.

I forget what it's called.

It's not deer moss.

It's something else.

Well, anyway, maybe I'll walk around here.

I'll show you that.

You can see this whole garden area here.

And what my plan is, is I'm going to dig all this up.

See, what the prior owners did is they put plastic down here.

You see that?

Then they put soil over it to try and grow some things.

But I guess the point of the plastic was to keep the weeds out maybe.

I don't know.

But what I'm going to do is instead of trying to weed all this, I'm going to dig it all up.

Go about six inches down.

I've got new top soil.

Well, it's not really garden soil is what it's called.

This was some sort of wooden thing.

I'm not sure what that is.

And I'm going to pull all this out.

but I'm going to try and leave the moss on the rocks.

I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

I don't know if moss is good for gardening, but I kind of like it.

I don't know why.

It just has a, I don't know.

It's probably ugly and my tastes are terrible, but, you know, I just think it looks cool.

And the truth is, if I had decided to do this, I'm not sure why you can see this.

Oh, and this thing here, I chopped that down to zero and it all grew back in the last month.

I wish I knew what it was.

It had some flowers on it.

So if somebody knows what this is, there's the leaves.

And no, it's not marijuana.

But, you know, it has like a pinkish purple.

Oh, there you go.

Got some pinkish purple flowers on it.

These little things here.

And in about somewhere in the summer, it'll die.

It'll just be sticks.

And that's the end of it.

So I guess it's a perennial or an annual.

I'm not sure.

But my plan is, is that with this area,

is I'm going to take all this up, and I'm going to try and find some flowers.

I'm going to go,

probably this weekend,

I'm going to go down to,

there's a local nursery,

and get some advice on things that flower all year long,

or at least a good chunk of the summer,

maybe stuff that,

you know,

spring and then stuff that's fall,

because I have a lot of hummingbirds.

And so I'd like to see hummingbirds around here.

Now I could, as you can see up here in this tree, is somebody had made a long time ago,

This is actually a birdhouse, but there's no birds in it.

So my thought is,

is that at some point,

we're ready to do,

you know,

I don't know if you see this or not,

but anyway,

is to try and get,

maybe put some things here to attract birds.

But you can see, here is that weird mossy stuff.

And in the fall, it begins to turn white and it becomes almost like, well, there's none here.

Well, there's different moss.

So you got, I've got this kind of moss.

I've got this stuff growing here.

As you can see, you know, it's surface area type stuff.

And then these guys over here, this is much tougher stuff.

Look at that.

Let's see if I put the camera over here.

That stuff's much tougher.

And what happens is in the fall,

It turns white and it becomes like coral.

It's really kind of neat.

Of course, you step on it bare feet, there would be a problem.

Now, the only problem is, is I do get a ton of gnats.

The gnat is the state bird of West Virginia.

So I'm not going to be sitting out here a lot because otherwise I'd have to come up

with something to do something about the gnats.

In fact, right now they're just buzzing all around me.

It's making me crazy.

Well, anyway, last fall, I got rid of all the moss along this thing, and it all grew back.

Now, a lot of it has to do with the heavy rains we've had.

We probably,

oh,

I don't know,

we probably had 10 inches of rain in the last week,

10 days,

something like that.

So, we've had a lot of rain.

But, you know, I tell you, if I had...

designed this whole thing, I wouldn't have done it like this.

But at the same time, I like it, and I like the amount of work that was put into it.

I do know it's two owners prior who built this thing,

put all this stuff together,

and it's not,

there's no cement there.

It's all just wedged together.

So, you know, there was a lot of love putting this together.

So, anyway, I'll try and put some flowers here.

I thought about maybe putting azaleas.

Because deer won't eat azaleas.

Roses, that wouldn't.

And you have to do something.

You have to know what you're doing to plant roses.

And I'm not going to ever learn that.

So, at least I don't think so.

So, anyway.

So, I'm thinking flowers there.

Now, along this area here, I thought about putting some, like a boxwood or something.

Because deer don't like boxwoods.

But that means tearing all this stuff out.

So, I think what I'm going to do is the first effort is just try and do this.

Clean this up.

I'm not 100% sure what I'm going to do with the moss.

Maybe I will clean it up.

Just, I don't know.

One of those things.

People tell me whether you, you know, there you go.

What do the YouTubers always say?

Put down in the comments your opinion.

Because I don't know.

I mean, honestly, I kind of like it.

I don't like these guys growing up.

I'll get rid of those.

But the moss actually looks kind of cool.

And it does die off.

Once it gets dry,

you know,

my,

my guess is,

and this is kind of this part of the country,

you tend to have a very rainy spring and it's been a late spring.

It's been a cool spring.

And then you get a very dry mid July all the way,

mid June rather through July into August,

it's dry.

And then, then you get, you know, fall rains and winter.

So we do get a dry period.

So I'm guessing the moss will just all die off at that point because last year,

That's what happened with a lot of this stuff.

By the end of the summer, this stuff was getting pretty dry.

But what's crazy about this,

this moss over here,

I think I just pointed this out,

these guys,

at night,

when you turn the floodlights on it,

it turns blue.

I'm not sure why that is.

But I've also got some mushrooms here.

I don't know what they are.

I guess they're mushrooms.

Well, I just, you know, this guy here, I don't know what that is.

Some sort of mushroom.

But anyway, this is my green thumb plan, I think.

So digging all this up, and the crazy part is that dirt is not cheap.

You know the old expression, dirt cheap?

Well, that doesn't mean anything.

I bought enough to do this.

I measured it out, and I think I have enough to do this.

I think it was like $96 in soil.

See, like this thing here, this strikes me as probably a weed, I'm guessing.

And all this is just different kinds of weeds.

And as you can tell, most of my grass, well, I don't have grass.

I have clover.

I have moss.

I have, uh, whatever the hell this stuff is, weeds.

So, but anyway, so it's about probably about 90 bucks worth of

worth of stuff there.

And I don't know if it'll be enough.

I'll probably have to buy some more.

So if I decide to do this guy over here, you think it's like eight bucks a bag.

So, you know, there's another 90 bucks.

So dirt cheap is a misnomer.

Dirt is expensive now.

Anyway, that's the plan.

So I'm going to try and keep it, I'm trying to keep it country looking.

I don't want it to look suburban and I don't want it to look like I put a lot of effort into it.

I kind of want it to look natural.

It's kind of like this log pile here.

which I just started stacking these up as I found them for no reason other than I

just think it looks nice.

Now,

granted,

I don't have the best taste in the world,

but I'm not working for better homes and gardens either.

I'm just a guy who lives out in a boney.

But that moss, it really is amazing to me.

And again, I should do this.

I should figure out how to film this at night because you put the LED on it.

Yeah, LED light I have.

And it's like electric blue.

It's really wild.

Well, anyway, I think that's, let's see, how much time we got here.

I think that's probably enough of my better homes and gardening.

Look at my, there's some broken wood there that who knows where that came from.

There's my grill.

Oh, and here's my fire pit.

which I only use at this point to burn boxes.

I have lots of boxes.

I finally got, I'm done.

I have one little thing left to do.

I'm going to burn some cardboard here in a little bit because it's pouring rain.

I don't have to worry about the ashes getting around, but that's my fire pit.

All right.

That's enough for this.

See you next time.


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